Michel colors

[n***@voyager.net]

Can a 1992 Michel color guide (farbenfuhrer) be used with a 2003 Deutschland Spezial catalog?

My Michel color guide was published in 1992. My current Michel Deutschland Spezial was published in 2003. (It is the 1840-1945 version.)

In my library is a 1995 Deutschland Spezial, in which colors are sometimes quite different from those given in the 2003.

Which set of catalog colors should I be using with the 1992 color guide?

For example, one stamp has three color varieties listed in each catalog. For the 1995 edition:
a. ultramarine
b. violet blue
c. gray blue

For the same stamp in the 2003 edition:
a. lebhaft violet ultramarine to dark ultramarine
b. (lebhaft) lilac ultramarine
c. (dark) gray ultramarine

Any and all help would be appreciated.

Stan

[Terry Reedy]

Post by n***@voyager.net
Can a 1992 Michel color guide (farbenfuhrer) be used with a 2003
Deutschland Spezial catalog?
My Michel color guide was published in 1992. My current Michel
Deutschland Spezial was published in 2003. (It is the 1840-1945
version.)
In my library is a 1995 Deutschland Spezial, in which colors are
sometimes quite different from those given in the 2003.
Which set of catalog colors should I be using with the 1992 color guide?
For example, one stamp has three color varieties listed in each
a. ultramarine
b. violet blue
c. gray blue
a. lebhaft violet ultramarine to dark ultramarine
b. (lebhaft) lilac ultramarine
c. (dark) gray ultramarine

'lebhaft' = 'lively', whatever that means.

Post by n***@voyager.net
Any and all help would be appreciated.

I would guess that the 92 color guide would work better with the 95
catalog than the 03 catalog. Lucky you to have all three from one
publisher. (Scott does not make a color guide and is not consistent in
color names within its catalog. I have found both a non-Scott American
color guide and a Gibbons color guide to be somewhat useful with Scott's
catalog, but only somewhat.)

Does your color guide have 'violet blue'? 'lilac ultramarine'? both?,
neither? If only the first, I would strongly suspect that lilac
ultramarine is a new name for violet blue and that you just need to
develop a translation table.

Even without fading and other post-production color changes, colors are
a difficult subject. Inks were once hand mixed so the colors of multiple
mixings tended to vary continuously. Some of the rarest colors may have
been errors that appeared on only one issue, and hence not appear in a
color guide.

Terry

[Sir F.A. Rien]

Post by Terry Reedy

Post by n***@voyager.net
a. lebhaft violet ultramarine to dark ultramarine
b. (lebhaft) lilac ultramarine
c. (dark) gray ultramarine

Many catlogs seem to use 'blue' and 'ultramarine' as 'similar'. Not
so, they are wuite different. Here an effort has been made to make
them propery I's as 'ultramarines'.

Post by Terry Reedy
'lebhaft' = 'lively', whatever that means.

'Bright'

Post by Terry Reedy
publisher. (Scott does not make a color guide and is not consistent in
color names within its catalog. I have found both a non-Scott American
color guide and a Gibbons color guide to be somewhat useful with Scott's
catalog, but only somewhat.)

SG's Colour Guide is so far off the 'historical colours' it's a laugh.
Many of the listed shades aren't even in the 'guide'!

Post by Terry Reedy
Does your color guide have 'violet blue'? 'lilac ultramarine'? both?,
neither? If only the first, I would strongly suspect that lilac
ultramarine is a new name for violet blue and that you just need to
develop a translation table.

No, they are quite different shades! There is a 'violet blue' and also
a 'violet ultramarine'!

Printing can be differentiated upon such small differences.

As an example, the 2.5d of KE VII in GB. De La Rue printed in
Ultramarine [shades] and Harrison used a Blue [shades]. Very close -
but side by side you can see the difference.

Post by Terry Reedy
Even without fading and other post-production color changes, colors are
a difficult subject. Inks were once hand mixed so the colors of multiple
mixings tended to vary continuously. Some of the rarest colors may have
been errors that appeared on only one issue, and hence not appear in a
color guide.

Very true, specialists can assign printings to year[s] or events with
the shade. Again, from GB, three shades determine whether pre,
immediately post or rebuilt, the famous Perkins Bacon Fire.

[n***@voyager.net]

Terry--thanks. That was my guess also.

Yes, the color guide has all of the colors mentioned, and for most colors has five gradations, pale, bright, medium, normal, and dark.

Stan

Hmmm, can't find a way to reply to you. My screen seems to only allow me to reply to the original posting. I guess I need updating on Usenet!

Post by n***@voyager.net
Can a 1992 Michel color guide (farbenfuhrer) be used with a 2003 Deutschland Spezial catalog?
My Michel color guide was published in 1992. My current Michel Deutschland Spezial was published in 2003. (It is the 1840-1945 version.)
In my library is a 1995 Deutschland Spezial, in which colors are sometimes quite different from those given in the 2003.
Which set of catalog colors should I be using with the 1992 color guide?